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Subject: Re: Smoking Bans
From: Dan the Melon Man
Posted: Sat Sep 29. 2007, 15:38 UTC
Followup to: "Re: Smoking Bans"  by apetail  (Sat Sep 29. 2007, 13:25 UTC)
> If you are of opinion that living dangerous is allowed to a certain 
> extent than yes it is against it because of inconsistency reasons. 

Hm. I don't think that just pointing at inconsistancies in other unrelated 
fields is a sound reason against doing the right thing where appropriate.

> What I originally meant with the stigma is that it may shift opinions 
> towards a less well founded opinion. The opinions on smoking become 
> more based on commercials and anti-smoking campaigns than true 
> scientific evidence.

I personally think that the scientific evidence is strong enough to base a 
decision on, independant of popular opinion. I certainly am not educated 
enough to argue against the years of research.
Pointing out that the vox populi may be misinformed, or swayed by stigma does 
not weaken the basic argument. But yes, it may help things along politically.
Just because folk may believe things for the wrong reason does not prove the 
conclusion they arrive at wrong.

 S => B [Science says bad]
 P => B [Pop-media says bad]
 ...
 !P => !B [Pop Media may be unfounded/wrong] therefore [it's not really bad]

 ? I'm sure there's a latin name for this type of fallacy ... 
Maybe http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html 

> Actually, in the Netherlands, people can get fined if they 
> are riding a motor scooter (only theory license needed) which is able 
> to drive faster than the maximum speeding limit.

Interesting. I'm not sure what to think about that one. I'll agree that it's 
probably not neccessary to have a scooter with that potential, but 
criminalizing its posession seems a bit heavy. OTOH, I do believe that 
posession of, say, a fully-automatic weapon should be restricted, just due to 
its potential (and intended) capabilities. I guess that's why laws are so 
colourful around the world.
... hm. Totally off-topic now I think :)

One one deep level I do believe it would be the RIGHT THING for all cigarettes 
to be off our shelves altogether, and I actually think that will be so by our 
childrens time.
The hard part is imagining the transition if it was imposed by the 
government in some countries and not others .. and the legal backlash with 
enforcement, political noise, black market and smugglers etc.
I don't want to see the laws that would be required to make this happen, but I 
also can't see how it will happen effectively without some of these laws being 
written - over time. So I'm not a politician...


.dan.


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