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Subject: Re: responsibility
From: JMeer
Posted: Mon Aug 14. 2000, 19:00 UTC
Followup to: "Re: responsibility"  by Deanna Snitzer  (Mon Aug 14. 2000, 16:06 UTC)
I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, I read the article that Mike 
referred to and it was talking about how the girls (there were two) got free 
drinks by flashing the bartenders and other customers, etc. Also, they drank 
8-10 drinks in two hours. That's a case when you might start to think that the 
bartenders had some liability.

On the other hand, it really is hard to tell. For example, I was working 
yesterday and had a guy come in - a pretty small guy but definitely of age - 
and order a pitcher of Bud. I was expecting that he was there with friends and 
was planning on taking the pitcher back to his table and drinking with them. 
But I was wrong. He sat at the bar and finished a pitcher of beer - the 
equivalent of five cans or a little more than three pints - in just about an 
hour. Once he was drinking, it's not like I could take it away, but I 
certainly would not have served him that much if I knew what he was going to 
do. As it were, he's a local and lives about three blocks from the hotel where 
I work, so he wasn't driving (he was stumbling so badly that I would not have 
let him drive).

meer


> I notice that no one has commented on the responsibility of THE GIRL 
> WHO KILLED SOMEONE!  Obviously she is not responsible enough to 
> drink, whether of age or not, because she DROVE DRUNK.  SHE is 
> responsible for her actions, above the bartender, above the 
> establishment in which she became intoxicated, above the legislature. 
>  She put the alchohol in her body.  Whether she was 18 or 21, SHE 
> chose to get behind the wheel.  The consequences of HER actions were 
> that a child died.  Maybe this is a lesson to all of us in PERSONAL 
> RESPONSIBILTY.  As a bartender, I think these third party liability 
> laws are BS.  If someone comes in with a really good fake ID, and I 
> let them drink underage because I an unable to detect its falseness, 
> I have done everything I can to make sure that a minor does not drink 
> in my bar.  With new computer assisted ID technology today it can be 
> close to impossible to detect false ID's.  I know someone who got a 
> fake ID from a guy who hacked into the DMV computers and changed all 
> the information around!  How in the heck is a bouncer supposed to 
> check for that?! If anyone deserves to be "shut down", its the girl.  
> 


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